The EPA’s logic was that people need to have a means, an actual effective means to keep their family’s safe from contamination and physical harm from rodents. When it comes right down to it, while traps have a useful function, nothing eliminates rodents as well as the rodenticides. EPA new rules try to limit the accessibility of the rodenticides in the hands of home users, to limit potential misuse.
As to my vision, I’m afraid it is you my friend who is seeing the world through a singular lens. We do what we can to provide products and education (including my answering all emails with useful tips and ideas) on an ongoing basis. You like birds, right? You care about birds, Pale Male in particular. I am a birder myself and have traveled the world with my hobby. Perhaps you are unaware that we at Bell have partnered with conservation recovery agencies throughout the world to try to save and recover some of the most devastated bird sanctuaries in the world. In any given year we have helped to save thousands of nesting birds, many of them endangered.
Here are just a few of the many projects that we have been involved with.
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You will note that we have developed the baits, helped in designing the delivery systems, and have donated nearly all of the bait. This is not something we have done for profit but because we want to do it. Please be sure not to characterize us without knowing all the facts first.
I am glad for what you are trying to do, Lincoln. I have never said otherwise. I am glad for the successes you have had. I am trying to offer you ideas and possible solutions, hoping that together we can find a way that works for everyone.
Note: I was in NYC last year, in Central Park, and even near the boathouse. I did try to find Pale Male but wasn't sure where exactly to look (I forgot to look it up ahead of time).
I'm happy that you are not an advisor for Central Park's exterminators. The fact is the Central Park Conservancy (which is an organization with a contract from The NYC Parks and Recreation for maintaining the park) stopped using rat poison sometime in the summer of 2011. Before this they have not used products containing Brodifacoum for at least 7 years or so, but used still dangerous products containing Bromodiolone and Diphacinone. The Loeb Boathouse Restaurant which is located inside Central Park just west of Fifth Avenue & 74th Street also stopped using rat poison last year. The poison (Final) now present in Central Park is being used at the Central Park Police Precinct, obviously by a contractor who is not thinking and who is not realizing where the poison is being placed and who has not consulted anyone with a broader understanding of the park.
The poisons which you speak so kindly of were all banned by the EPA because they finally realized how dangerous they are. Fortunately for you the only thing that changed was the amount you can buy--no longer to buy small quantities only very large quantities. One day I hope to understand the EPA's logic there.
According to you, there is no problem using rat poison because your vision, I must say, is not as broad as the global marketplace for your products. I can't blame you though, since I am not in a position to tell you how to make a living. And if you don't make rat poison it's going to be made by someone else, perhaps a Chinese manufacturer.
March 5, 2012
While I’ll admit that trying to relate a rat that has eaten poison and then left the bait station to being some sort of “broadcast” mechanism is quite creative, it really is an unrealistic stretch. A box that allows entrance but exit is called a trap and the introduction of a rodenticide into a trap would be redundant and a waste or resources.
I think after so many years that it is pretty cleat that bait will continue to be used in Central Park. The health and safety hazards posed by the rats are just too great to ignore and the numbers are too great to deal with via mechanical (trap) means. Perhaps you might consider trying to reach a middle ground with those who make these application decisions and look into the use of other types of baits, baits the present a lower risk of secondary poisoning and also have a lower toxicity to birds. We’ve recently introduced such a bait, Terad3.
While it is more expensive, perhaps you could suggest this as a viable alternative in the battle to eliminate the rodents whilst minimizing the potential impact on any raptors.
Please read about Terad3 here:
Craig A Riekena
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Lincoln Karim <email@example.com wrote:
March 1, 2012
Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately the product label does not take into consideration that even if the bait is in an enclosed box, when a rat eats the bait and comes out of the box the bait is now being 'broadcast' via the free roaming rat. The label prohibits the 'broadcast' of this bait and therefore it should be secured in a bait box and never be conveyed out of the box.
The label prohibits the placement of the bait where it may be ingested by non-target animals. The target animals makes the bait accessible to non-target animals and the label directions has thus been violated.
This bait must be placed in a box which will prevent the bait from getting out. The baiting station must be of such design that poison consumed by the target animals prevents the targets from getting out of the box.
If the wind was able to blow the poison out of the box and expose it in the open where non-target animals could get it then the label would be violated.
I wish that you can give some kind of support to my argument on this matter.
The fact is that our hawks and other raptors are dying from the secondary poison effects from your product.
Please give me some kind of backing so I may be able to persuade the exterminators in central Park to have more consideration for our precious wildlife.
from Final product label:
This product is extremely toxic to mammals and birds. Dogs, cats and other predatory and scavenging
mammals and birds might be poisoned if they feed upon animals that have eaten this bait. This pesticide
is toxic to fish. Do not apply directly to water, or to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal
areas below the mean high water mark. Runoff also may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in water
adjacent to treated areas. Do not contaminate water when disposing of equipment wash water or rinsate.
For control only of Norway rats, roof rats and house mice in and around homes, industrial, commercial, agricultural and public buildings, and similar manmade structures. May also be used in transport vehicles (ships, trains, aircraft) and in and around related port or terminal buildings.
Full Product Label for 'Final All Weather Blox'
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Craig Riekena <firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Hello again Lincoln,
It is not possible for the labels to describe every possible circumstance for placement and so the allowable places are described in a more generic sense based on what may or may not be also present.
In general if the bait is placed in a location where children, pets, or wildlife are present then it must be placed in a bait station. Unless specific local prohibitions exist, and provided that the directions and restrictions on the label are followed, there is no reason why the Final All-Weather Blox could not be used in Central Park.
I did see the news about the Pale Male mate that was found dead and was sorry to hear that. The Central Park raptors are a special and precious group.
I hope this addresses your concern. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Craig A Riekena
Name: Lincoln Karim
Subject: Appropriate use of Final Blox
The product label for Final All Weather Blox did not mention 'public parks' as an area where this product can be used.
This product was found in Central Park, NYC and I am enquiring whether this violates the product label.
Thank you for your time,